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Wednesday, November 21, 2018

More Thoughts on the 1979 and 1980 Kellogg's Unopened Packs

I don't have lots of 1979 Kellogg's unopened baseball card packs, but I checked out a few of them today so that I could compare them to the pile of 1980 unopened packs that I have.

Kellogg's seemed to change their packaging process for these individual cards in 1979.  Below is a 1972 card.  Notice how machinery was used to create the grooves around the edge of the card.  Outside of the edges of the card's location there is a bit of a bubble.  It holds the card in place and makes the entire pack a bit thicker than it would be otherwise.



Here is a 1979 card.  The bubble seems to have disappeared but the edges are still grooved by some kind of machinery.  The 1979s are also now more a dirty, tan color than white.




Here is a 1980 card.  The same dirty, tan color from 1979 is used where there really is no extra space allotted for the card - no bubble.  Xograph also didn't use machinery to create any grooves in the packs in 1980.  That's probably why they don't stay sealed as well as every other year.



Without the grooves the two pieces of paper that make up the wrapper are more likely to have some separation.  Check out a side view of this card below to see how easily the  wrapper can separate.   Notice the left side of the card shown below.   This doesn't happen at all for any other year of Kellogg's cards.



They even had the grooves in the 1970 Rold Gold cards shown below. 



In the 1990s the company went to a process that is seen with modern products.  The pack is connected in the back



Here is the back of one of the cards from the 1990s.


Tuesday, November 20, 2018

Opening Sealed Kellogg's Baseball Cards

Since a few of the packs were badly damaged I decided to open them and see what these 1980 Kellogg's baseball cards look like when removed from the 38-year-old packaging.

I've seen a bunch of Kellogg's cards with a rip on the bottom right of the packaging as shown below. 


Now I know why I might want to avoid those cards with large rips.  The card itself if ripped to the right of STARS.  The card is also discolored near the bottom since the rip left the package partially open - probably since 1980.  




The Hernandez card is also ripped under the 'R' in STARS.  The package had the same look - a rip near the bottom right corner of the card.  



This Cey card didn't have a rip that extended to the card, but the bottom of the card has lost its white shine over time since it was not sealed on the bottom.  

I usually only see dirty, stained wrappers from 1980.  I would love to see some clean wrappers.  

Monday, November 19, 2018

A Busy Weekend

Yesterday a few of us journeyed to Madison, Wisconsin for the NCAA D-I National Cross Country Championship.  It was a long day, but it was worth it to be there for this great event.

On the way home we stopped to eat and after ordering I left to get my drink, leaving my son to pay.  Don't get me wrong here, he is in college where we gave him a credit card that he was going to use to pay.  It is my credit card, so I am really paying anyway.

He came over to the drink station without being able to contain his laughter.  When I asked why he just showed me the receipt and told me the discount was given because I was a senior citizen.  Now both of my kids have had non-stop laughter at my expense.  He's the story with my daughter - My Daughter Laughed at Me Too.

It turns out that Culver's gives this discount to those age 60 and above.  I'm not there yet, but it sure was fun for my son to laugh at the $0.83 discount.

Today I went to Rosemont for the card show.  I did buy a beat up 1972 Kellogg's set and only two other cards.


Sunday, November 18, 2018

How are My 1982s Like My 1976 Kellogg's Cards #1-3

When I looked through my 1980 Kellogg's purchase from last week, I had about two dozen packs that I ended up opening because the packaging was so damaged. 

Check out the 1982 Kellogg's cards that I created by using these damaged wrappers and sliding in three of my favorite cards from 1982 - Bill Buckner, Chet Lemon and Bob Knepper. 



I did the same thing with my 1976 Kellogg's cards #1, #2 and #3.  I cropped the pictures so that the rip in the package isn't even noticed - 1976 - #1, #2, #3 Fakes.  As can be seen in the full pictures from 1976, the wrapper is totally cut across one side. 

It seems like only in 1980 did Kellogg's use a two-piece wrapper.  It didn't work, so maybe that is why they didn't use a wrapper after 1980. 

Friday, November 16, 2018

Kellogg's Cereal Box Backs - Has Anyone Summarized These?



I've got a few of these, but I haven't been keeping track of which ones very well.  That will be a goal of mine over the holidays.  Now I just have to hope that I can find them.  

The two 1977s above show different cards.  Now I want to find out how many different boxes existed.  Since the cereal boxes came in different sizes, I'd want to know about that too.  If you look closely at the 1977s it is apparent that they are not the same size.

Has anyone cut the cards, especially if the box is in bad shape?

Let me know what you've got.

Thursday, November 15, 2018

1978 Kellogg's Baseball Card Backs - #19 - 21

Snow already.  Ick.  I need to spend some time thinking about 1978 Kellogg's baseball cards so I can forget that our temperatures are 15 degrees below normal.

21 - Dave Rozema



Rozema had a great season for a guy who was a non-roster pitcher in the spring.  He season was called a one of those "Horatio Alger" seasons.  Huh?

An injury to Mark Fidrych opened to door for Rozema.  

Not on the card - writer Horatio Alger wrote stories that typically were "rags-to-riches" stories.  I didn't know that as a teen in 1978, but I learned about it 40 years later.    




20 - Hal McRae




After three years of hitting over .300, McRae "fell to" .298.  He has been the most consistent DH since the league adopted the DH rule in 1973.  

Not on the card - he played over 70% of his career games as DH.   

Not on the card - another player with a Kellogg's card who became a manager.  How many are there?




19 - Ellis Valentine




Sorry for the blurry card.  This is really what it says.  

Kellogg's pronounced the Expos to have the best young outfield with Valentine, Andre Dawson and Warren Cromartie.  Nothing else interesting is on the back so I won't be re-scanning the back.

Not on the card - Valentine was with Montreal until being traded in 1981, Cromartie stayed until being granted free agency in 1983 and Dawson left for the Cubs in 1987.   Valentine never reached MVP status but the other two did.  Yes, Cromartie was MVP in the Japanese league.   




Wednesday, November 14, 2018

1978 Kellogg's Baseball Card Backs #22 - 24

Time to check on three more of the 1978 Kellogg's baseball cards. 

#24 - Ron Cey




Kellogg's decided to lead of the paragraph by reminding us that Cey hit .190 in the 1977 World Series.  They did mention that it certainly didn't take away from his great regular season.  He did hit over .300 and had a grand slam in the NLCS.  

Cey played in his fourth all-star game in 1977.

Not on the card - in 1981 he did win the World Series MVP Award.  He played in two more all-star games.  

Not on the card - the Cubs gave the Dodgers no one good for Cey.  The Cubs traded Cey to the A's for Luis Quinones, best known in my house (and probably only known in my house) because I caught his first career homer.



#23 - Willie McCovey



Willie had some great hobbies - reading and motion pictures.  That wouldn't leave him many guys to talk to in the locker room.  I like how the text is on the right since McCovey has stats from 1959 - 1977 on the back of the card.  

The 1966 stats have SanFrancisco listed differently than the other years.  Was this ever corrected?  I didn't see any corrected ones on ebay. 

Kellogg's sees him as a HOF-er.  He's 39 and has bad knees.  What else could he do?

Not on the card - he played almost 180 games over the next three seasons to get past 500 homers.

Willie passed away on Halloween of 2018.




#22 - Lenny Randle



Randle ended up being traded during spring training after getting into a fight with Rangers manager Frank Lucchesi.  The team suspended Randle and then traded him to the Mets where he had a great season.  

He is mentioned as an Arizona State alumnus.  

Not on the card - he got a degree from ASU and he played football along with baseball.






Tuesday, November 13, 2018

1978 Kellogg's Baseball Card Backs - #25 -27

Back to the 1978 countdown.  This one is taking a while.  I hope to get distracted again from this process when I go to the big card show in Rosemont this weekend and have something to report.

At some point it must be difficult to find things to say for Kellogg's.   This must be true with Seaver and Carew, who are both regulars in the Kellogg's sets.

#27 - Tom Seaver



Seaver has a birthday in a couple of days.  

They certainly had something to write about this year on Seaver's card.  He was traded mid-season in what Kellogg's called a controversial trade.   He ended up 21-6 anyway.  

He is now the #10 pitcher on the all-time strikeout list.

Not on the card - the Mets didn't get any stars for Seaver, they also traded Dave Kingman that day and their team was poor for a few years following these deals.

Oddity on the card - check out the 1968 stats under BB.  The number isn't aligned with the other numbers in that column.  



#26 - Larry Bowa




It's always great to see the older Phillies logo.

Bowa has a string of defensive records.  He has a "magic glove".  He created a record by making only nine errors in over 150 games at shortstop.

Not on the card - he won how many Gold Gloves?  Only two.  Bowa played from 1970 - 1985.  Ozzie Smith won all of them from 1980 - 1982.  Here are the winners from the 1970s.

1970 - Don Kessinger
1971 - Bud Harrelson
1972 - Larry Bowa
1973 - Roger Metzger
1974 - Dave Concepcion
1975 - Dave Concepcion
1976 - Dave Concepcion
1977 - Dave Concepcion  
1978 - Larry Bowa
1979 - Dave Concepcion

Shortstop has always been a key position in baseball and Kellogg's recognized that.  All the Gold Glove winners got into a Kellogg's set except Roger Metzger.  



#25 - Eddie Murray



Murray had a great rookie season and he missed only one game on his way to Rookie of the Year honors.  

I like that the card mentions his high school by name - Locke High.

Murray was mostly used as a DH.

Not on the card - in his career he played DH 573 times, 1B 2,413 times along with six games at 3B and three games in the outfield.






Monday, November 12, 2018

My Monster Box Count Might Be A Few Off

It's nice to know that small shows can be worth going to sometimes.  It was great to walk into a show where every booth had someone selling who I didn't see at the local monthly show.  

When organizing the cards from the weekend I also made an attempt at counting the packs while also be careful since these packs are quite flimsy.  As is typical with the 1980 Kellogg's wrappers, none of the packs are perfect or even close to it.

Most packs also have the card number written on the back, even though the player name is certainly easy to spot.  Sure, the card number is difficult for me to see even without the wrapper, but did someone really need to write the number on almost every card?

When I bought the box I assumed that there would be about 1,000 individual packs.  I was quite off on that one.  There were 1,655 packs.  I already had a lot of 1980s so even though I am quite excited to get these cards, I sure would love to get 1979s for my want list and the variations that I don't have yet.



I expected no stars and I was partially correct.  There were no cards of Mike Schmidt, Bert Blyleven, George Brett, Steve Carlton, Jim Palmer, Nolan Ryan and Rod Carew.

There were also no Ross Grimsley, Ron Guidry, Lee Mazzilli and Fred Lynn.  I would certainly wonder how that happened other than the Grimsley which poses different issues since it is card #1.

Tom Seaver (5) and Dave Kingman (2) only appeared out of the pack.  I guess the Kingman card was popular in Chicago at some point.  

There was one card each of Willie Stargell, Reggie Jackson, Carl Yastrzemski, Dave Winfield and Johnny Bench.

That means lots of cards of the other 43 players including Pete Rose, Jim Rice, Carlton Fisk, Fergie Jenkins and Phil Niekro.  That's an average of over 40 cards per player, but it didn't work out quite like that.  

In 1978 we didn't know about double-printed cards int Topps sets.  That would have explained how I kept getting Pete Rose and Mike Lum.  In this 1980 set there are a few cards that I could use to wallpaper my room.  Unfortunately, Pete Rose shows up a lot less times than the average.

What will I ever do with 128 Claudell Washington cards, even in Chicago?  As my wife said, what will I do with any of this stuff?  I guess I will need to buy some holders for them since I like to store these in Card Saver IVs to keep the paper intact.

If anyone has some of the other cards in the wrapper and wants to swap a few let me know.

Sunday, November 11, 2018

I Saw This At A Card Show Today...........

....and now I see it on my table.

For those who are trying to dump lots of Kellogg's cards check with me.  I like stuff like this even though it doesn't command the big bucks.  I rarely sell stuff, but some day I' going to need to get to that since I buy stuff that I don't always need.  


When I saw the box above I was quite surprised.  Yeah, I saw lots of damaged wrappers which automatically led me to know that the packs would all be from 1980.  When I was told that the price was 2 for $1.00 I quickly tried to guess how many cards were in the box.  Before I could even get an estimate, I was given such a good price for the box that I bought it without looking at a single card.

I expected to see the worst players in the set, but I was okay with that too.  There were 68 cards not int the packages and another 26 where the package was extremely destroyed.  Can you guess how many sealed packs were in this 3,200 count monster box?







These were easy to sort because they were mostly in order already.  That was good and bad.  It was bad because there weren't many surprises.




49 different players are included in this lot so there are certainly a few stars.  More stats tomorrow after I clean up this pile before the cat jumps on the table.  Let's just say that I've got lots of cards available for trade.  

Too bad this is the absolute worst year for Kellogg's card wrappers.   I've mentioned before that these wrappers didn't stand the test of time.  Their two-piece construction was prone to separation.  Luckily, a high percentage of the packs seem to be firmly sealed.  


Saturday, November 10, 2018

Graded or Non-Graded?

I changed the image on the blog to that of a bunch of graded Kellogg's football proof cards.  It won't be there for a long time, so I will show it here as well.



I actually have more proof cards graded than I have regular Kellogg's cards graded.  I've got about 15-20 proof cards, all graded.  As far as regular Kellogg's cards graded I've probably got about 10-15.  Almost all of those came from buying a large lot and getting a random graded card.

None of my unopened packs are graded either.  

Do some of you only collect graded cards?  Do some of you have no graded cards and no interest in graded cards?




Friday, November 9, 2018

Kellogg's Baseball Cards - Factory Sets - What Year?

When I find Kellogg's factory sets cheap, I am dumb enough to buy them.  Sometimes I not sure about the year, so my plan is always to pay for it as if it were from 1981 - 1983. 


I have come up with a few nearly fool-proof ways to figure out what the year is of a Kellogg's factory set.

1.  Look for the writing on the box, especially if someone wrote the year on it.  This seems to be an okay approach, especially if the year written is from 1979 to 1983.  If one were going to lie about the year, they wouldn't be likely to write down those years.

2.  Check the label for any information that might be helpful.  I am still looking into how to translate the labels.

3.  Look for color differences in the printing, if there is any.

4.  Check the size of the box since they were not the same each year.  Here is what I know so far about the sizes of the factory sets.  This is by my inexact measuring. 

a.  1983 - 7-1/8 x 4-1/16.  Small, black arrows (SBA) on the package, like the one shown above.
b.  1982 - 7-1/8 x 4-1/16.  SBA.
     1982 - 7-116 x 3-7/8.  SBA, but the package has a pinstripe pattern of two different colors.
c.  1981 - 8-3/16 x 4.  Big, thick arrows on the package.
d.  1980 - 8-15/16 x 4.  Short, thick black (STB) arrows on the package. 
e.  1979 - 8-15/16 x 4.  STB.
f.  1978 - 7-7/16 x 3-15/16.  Big, thin blue arrows on the package.

I was surprised that the 1979 and 1980 factory sets are larger than the 1981 set, which has the largest cards. 

What's up with the two different boxes from 1982.  Has anyone seen this for 1982 or any other year?

I guess I will need to track all of the different style of arrows too. 

Can anyone add to this information?

Thursday, November 8, 2018

My Christmas Wish List

Like everyone, world peace would be a great Christmas wish, but that's been an issue since dinosaurs roamed the planet.  Here are a few other things I am hoping.

1.  I really want to have a conversation with a Kellogg's employee who was involved with the cards.  Can anyone make that happen?

2.  I am still searching for a sale that includes more items from the Benanti collection.  Does anyone have a contact with this family?

3.  I'd like a fool-proof way of removing cracks from a Kellogg's card.  Does the process used in a copy machine produce enough heat to have a chance at this?  

Wednesday, November 7, 2018

Sunday, November 4, 2018

Now I Need One Canadian Kellogg's Card from 1992

Now that I got the 1992 Kellogg's cards that I purchased last week, I need to find the Mike Schmidt in an unopened package. 



I saw one on ebay, but it's not worth paying more for that one than all of the others combined. 

I also don't mind adding some things to my want list.  It makes for a fun time at the National or the big show in Chicago in two weeks.


Thursday, November 1, 2018

1972 Kellogg's Variations - Thoughts on the Drago Card

I just purchased the McDowell variation that I need so now I've gotten all of the except the Drago.  Is the Drago a variation (Poyals) or is it just a print error.  One is listed on PSA.

More importantly, has anyone actually seen one and does anyone even own one?


Wednesday, October 31, 2018

Upper Deck Vintage 3-D Cards

I showed two Upper Deck 3-D cards yesterday that I knew nothing about.  Both were from sets call Vintage, which I also knew nothing about.  Why?  From 1994's strike until 2005 I didn't watch any baseball.  I also didn't buy any new cards.

Since I showed the cards, I figured it would be best if I could learn more about them.  All things 3-D are now on my list including these sets.

The 2003 set has 30 cards that were inserted at a rate of 1 per 48 packs.  That's not an easy set to accumulate when one card is in every two boxes.  How much do these boxes cost?  

The 2004 set has 90 cards that were inserted at a rate of 1 per 12 packs.  That's still a lot of boxes for the set. 

It doesn't seem like these sets will be easy to find and they might not be cheap.  Add these to another list of things I might search for over the years.  That's a good challenge for my one day at the National this year. 

Has anyone seen these cards in lots or sets?

Did 2001 or 2002 Upper Deck Vintage have 3-D cards?  

Tuesday, October 30, 2018

Some Nice Surprises in the Mail Today

David from New Jersey sent me a nice e-mail recently about the blog.  He mentioned that he had a few cards for me.  Today I got a great surprise in the mail.  That gave me something fun to do when I should have been completing college letters of recommendation that are due tomorrow.

Here's what the box contained -

He must have checked my site fairly well to see that I needed this Osteen variation.  Now I just need McDowell - assuming that the Drago isn't really a variation?


A few more of these stickers.  That's good since I've used some of them - and they still work even though they are from 1970.   Here's the old post on the iron-ons - Iron-Ons Test



A beautiful set of 15.   I am trying to get some of the others from 2010+. 



He also included a variety of other 3-D cards. including a Ryan Howard numbered to 99 from the Topps Lineage set. 

I've never seen anything like the Upper Deck Vintage Sosa card below.  I will need to find out how many are in that set.  It certainly resembles a 1981 Kellogg's card. 

I've got the same question with the Vintage Cabrera - how many cards are in that set?



Bo knows Honus?  It's a great shot of Bo, but I've got a photo of Bo coming out of the starting blocks at a college track meet.  Thanks to a friend who took that photo.  Now I've just got to find it since I moved about 10 times since getting that photo.

David must have quite a collection since he's got doubles of the Wagner card.  Now I've got doubles too.


Sunday, October 28, 2018

1992 Kellogg's All-Stars - Canadian vs. USA

I knew that the backs of the 1992 Kellogg's Canadian cards had both French and English text.  What I didn't realize until today - the fronts are different.

All I have from the Canadian set is a factory set, so I haven't really looked at it.  Now I've purchased a few individual cards and I noticed a few differences.  Check it out.



The color scheme is different and the Canadian one (on top) has all red on its border.  Good thing no one let me know how stupid I was for saying that.  The color scheme differs when the card is tilted to reveal the other photo.  I don't want to get a seizure so I won't be checking this out again soon. 

The card also mentions Frosted Flakes while its USA counterpart mentions Corn Flakes.

Saturday, October 27, 2018

My First Halloween Costume in Years and NFL Rules

Check out this photo.  I just received my first Halloween costume in the mail.  I haven't had a costume in many years, but this could work even though it is not a Kellogg's card.  Since I had a paper route and caddied as a kid, I never had the chance to say "would you like fries with that", "would you like to super-size it" or anything along those lines. 



I'm not sure what a Stop-N-Go worker wore around 1980, but I'm guessing that I can find something online to help me with that.  This is something that was pinned to their shirts at work. 

Now that I have my first one of these, I'd like to get one from a Cowboy or at least someone who didn't have a defensive interference rule named after him - Wikipedia - Rules Named After NFL People.

I enjoyed reading the list as it does have a lot of football history in it, even if it is Wikipedia. 


Thursday, October 25, 2018

What is Better For Kellogg's Cards - Hot or Cold?

I went about 10 days without heat.  We used some space heaters, but it was still cold in most rooms.  Now, I've got heat and I hope to sleep better at night.

What is best for the Kellogg's cards?  Is it the heat vs. cold or is it the humidity? 

I still haven't read any tricks to getting rid of cracks on Kellogg's cards.  Any ideas?

Wednesday, October 24, 2018

Has Anyone Been to a Show at the Hillside Holiday Inn?

The Chicagoland Card Collectors Club (I can't remember their official name) had card shows in the 1970s at the Hillside Holiday Inn.  I think they had them every other month.  The show included free autographs from whichever player they convinced to attend. 

I didn't spend time in that line often because the mountains of cards on the dealer tables always drew me to spend my paper route and caddying money.  I do remember JC Martin being there because he handed us his World Series ring to try on for size. 

Why did I decide to write about these shows?  The name of the hotel has changed, but I drive by it every day now as I head home from work.  I don't remember purchasing any Kellogg's cards there other than a Ron Santo, but it is possible that I completed my 1974 set from those shows.

Why wouldn't I remember buying 1970s cards there?  At those shows my friends and I rarely bought anything that was newer than 1969.  Dealers didn't really carry lots of new cards.  We'd buy everything from T206s to 1960s stars.  Too bad for me that I always went for the cheapest cards without regard to condition.  I'm still that way today.

Most tables just had stacks of cards separated by year and/or prices.  I'd usually go there with about $30 and I'd come home with about 30 - 100 cards depending on any big purchases.  For me a big purchase was anything more than one dollar.  I remember spending $2 on a T206 Christy Mathewson, a card that I still own. 


Tuesday, October 23, 2018

Kellogg's Baseball Card Backs - #28 - 30

60-degree weather was a great thing to have when the heat is out in October.   How many teams had domed stadiums in 1978 to make life easier in poor weather?   Houston and Seattle had one.  Did I miss any others?

Back to the cards.

#30 - Thurman Munson




I didn't realize that he hit .300 and had 100 RBIs during three years in a row.  

Kellogg's called him a stocky catcher at 5-11 and 190 pounds.  

I didn't remember that Munson had an "undiplomatic approach to some team matters".  

Not on the card - shockingly, Reggie Jackson's ego was involved.  I imagine that Billy Martin and George Steinbrenner were also involved.  

Not on the card - his career average was .292.  He was only 32 when he died in a plane crash during the 1979 season.  




#29 - Rod Carew




Another batting title in addition to career highs in runs, hits, doubles triples and RBIs.  Career is bound for the Hall of Fame, but he's still looking for a trip to the World Series.

Not on the card - a .335 career average at this point in his career is a good start toward the Hall of Fame.

Not on the cards - Kellogg's didn't mention that he had his fifth consecutive top-10 finish in the MVP voting and that he won his only MVP Award in 1977.    He also continued his streak of being an all-star every year, a streak which continued until his last MLB season.



#28 - Garry Maddox




In the history of baseball only six players have spelled their first name "Garry".  Two of them are in this card set.  

I don't know why Kellogg's mentioned that injuries held him back in 1977 since he only missed 23 games.  

Maddox spent two years in Viet Nam so he missed all of 1969 and 1970.  That I didn't know.  Wikipedia mentioned that an exposure to chemicals in Viet Name led him to sensitive skin which led him to always have a beard as a player.  

Kellogg's said that the Phillies made a wise deal with the Giants in obtaining Maddox in 1975.

Not on the card - sometimes Kellogg's mentioned the players in the trade, but not this time.  He was traded for Willie Montanez.